Thursday, September 1, 2011

I Don't Bi It

From the NY Times

No Surprise for Bisexual Men: Report Indicates They Exist
By DAVID TULLER
Published: August 22, 2011


In an unusual scientific about-face, researchers at Northwestern University have found evidence that at least some men who identify themselves as bisexual are, in fact, sexually aroused by both women and men.

The finding is not likely to surprise bisexuals, who have long asserted that attraction often is not limited to one sex. But for many years the question of bisexuality has bedeviled scientists. A widely publicized study published in 2005, also by researchers at Northwestern, reported that “with respect to sexual arousal and attraction, it remains to be shown that male bisexuality exists.”

That conclusion outraged bisexual men and women, who said it appeared to support a stereotype of bisexual men as closeted homosexuals.

In the new study, published online in the journal Biological Psychology, the researchers relied on more stringent criteria for selecting participants. To improve their chances of finding men aroused by women as well as men, the researchers recruited subjects from online venues specifically catering to bisexuals.

They also required participants to have had sexual experiences with at least two people of each sex and a romantic relationship of at least three months with at least one person of each sex.

Men in the 2005 study, on the other hand, were recruited through advertisements in gay-oriented and alternative publications and were identified as heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual based on responses to a standard questionnaire.

In both studies, men watched videos of male and female same-sex intimacy while genital sensors monitored their erectile responses. While the first study reported that the bisexuals generally resembled homosexuals in their responses, the new one finds that bisexual men responded to both the male and female videos, while gay and straight men in the study did not.

Both studies also found that bisexuals reported subjective arousal to both sexes, notwithstanding their genital responses. “Someone who is bisexual might say, ‘Well, duh!’” said Allen Rosenthal, the lead author of the new Northwestern study and a doctoral student in psychology at the university. “But this will be validating to a lot of bisexual men who had heard about the earlier work and felt that scientists weren’t getting them.”

The Northwestern study is the second one published this year to report a distinctive pattern of sexual arousal among bisexual men.

In March, a study in Archives of Sexual Behavior reported the results of a different approach to the question. As in the Northwestern study, the researchers showed participants erotic videos of two men and two women and monitored genital as well as subjective arousal. But they also included scenes of a man having sex with both a woman and another man, on the theory that these might appeal to bisexual men.

The researchers — Jerome Cerny, a retired psychology professor at Indiana State University, and Erick Janssen, a senior scientist at the Kinsey Institute — found that bisexual men were more likely than heterosexuals or gay men to experience both genital and subjective arousal while watching these videos.

Dr. Lisa Diamond, a psychology professor at the University of Utah and an expert on sexual orientation, said that the two new studies, taken together, represented a significant step toward demonstrating that bisexual men do have specific arousal patterns.

“I’ve interviewed a lot of individuals about how invalidating it is when their own family members think they’re confused or going through a stage or in denial,” she said. “These converging lines of evidence, using different methods and stimuli, give us the scientific confidence to say this is something real.”

The new studies are relatively small in size, making it hard to draw generalities, especially since bisexual men may have varying levels of sexual, romantic and emotional attraction to partners of either sex. And of course the studies reveal nothing about patterns of arousal among bisexual women. The Northwestern study included 100 men, closely split among bisexuals, heterosexuals and homosexuals. The study in Archives of Sexual Behavior included 59 participants, among them 13 bisexuals.

The new Northwestern study was financed in part by the American Institute of Bisexuality, a group that promotes research and education regarding bisexuality. Still, advocates expressed mixed feelings about the research.

Jim Larsen, 53, a chairman of the Bisexual Organizing Project, a Minnesota-based advocacy group, said the findings could help bisexuals still struggling to accept themselves.

“It’s great that they’ve come out with affirmation that bisexuality exists,” he said. “Having said that, they’re proving what we in the community already know. It’s insulting. I think it’s unfortunate that anyone doubts an individual who says, ‘This is what I am and who I am.’”

Ellyn Ruthstrom, president of the Bisexual Resource Center in Boston, echoed Mr. Larsen’s discomfort.

“This unfortunately reduces sexuality and relationships to just sexual stimulation,” Ms. Ruthstrom said. “Researchers want to fit bi attraction into a little box — you have to be exactly the same, attracted to men and women, and you’re bisexual. That’s nonsense. What I love is that people express their bisexuality in so many different ways.”

Despite her cautious praise of the new research, Dr. Diamond also noted that the kind of sexual arousal tested in the studies is only one element of sexual orientation and identity. And simply interpreting results about sexual arousal is complicated, because monitoring genital response to erotic images in a laboratory setting cannot replicate an actual human interaction, she added.

“Sexual arousal is a very complicated thing,” she said. “The real phenomenon in day-to-day life is extraordinarily messy and multifactorial.”

I still say it's just a layover on the way to gay town. For a while my ex claimed to be bisexual but if he was, wouldn't he have been equally attracted to me too? He did have a threesome with a couple, but it was only to get at the husband, not because he was that interested in the wife. And lest you think I'm jumping to a conclusion, he admitted as much in an email to one of his gay buds where he bragged about the conquest.

7 comments:

  1. I can understand your position, but I think there are stable points in the spectrum of sexual response other than at the poles. I am attracted to both men and women (more women than men). Given my history with cheating women, I find it difficult to trust them; this inhibits forming relationships. I have never been in a relationship with a man, but having sex with a man isn't a problem.

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  2. Maggie, I get it on both issues. 1, you were hurt by a liar husband who claimed to be one thing when in reality he was another and he even finally admitted it. 2. Many guys go through the same stages of denial on their way from "straight" which they never were to "homosexual" which they have always really been.

    But because of your personal experience, you're going to be stubborn and emotional and dismiss a whole class of millions people? On any other issue you would and you have raised hell about people who do such things.

    I admire much about you. You doing more than you have to do to support sexual equality and I commend you for that.

    I think you need to check your intellectual honesty and see if it might just have been knocked a wee bit off kilter by your own personal experience and hurt on this one.

    Frankly Maggie, you stance on this issue is beneath you. Do some soul searching about something other than your own hurt.

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  3. I agree with the others.

    I am sexually attracted to both women and men but in terms of a relationship beyond friendship, I'm not interested in setting up house with another man. I could totally understand if people looked at my situation and figured I was a straight guy with some sort of kinky attraction to wieners, but I think it is more than just that. Totally straight? Not me. Totally Gay, not me either. I think that makes me bi.

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  4. I've long felt that that bisexuality exists. I have no doubt that some people can be attracted to both sexes. I've dated a couple of bisexual men and they were very interested in women. How that interest would have been maintained over a long relationship is anyone's guess because I believe, too, that their degree of interest can vary over time.

    I've come to consider that the real opposition to the concept of bisexuality stems from the gay political movement. Bisexuality seems to undercut the "born this way" dogma that the gay establishment has hung it's hat on. If sexuality is more fluid and can change over time, what does that do to the genetically or hormonally predetermined orthodoxy? The only people I've every met who reject bisexuality out of hand are gay men and women. It seems to be a threat to their world view.

    Sexuality and the nuances of sexual attraction are far to complex and influenced by far too many factors to have a one size fits all answer.

    None of this changes the fact, though, that people need to be honest with one another. Bi, Gay or Straight, you owe it to whomever you involve yourself with to be honest and let your partner decide if they choose to deal with it. Using the excuse of bisexualtiy to lie and cheat is still dishonest.

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  5. My gay ex still denies he's gay, at most he would admit to being bi, but why then does he only peruse craigslist, Grindr, gay.com etc... for only men? I don't care what category you put yourself in or make up one, but be honest with yourself and others, because we didn't deserve it. Our children didn't deserve it. PS the study needs to profile the same people in 10 yrs and THEN see how they identify themselves. That would be the only real answer to this. And I would want proof that they were with both sexes during that time, not just their "word".

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  6. Anonymous (9/4/11), like so many other people you make the mistake of trying to make the world fit your personal world view. It simply doesn't.

    Many married bisexual men only pursue men because they already have a female sexual partner who satisfies that side of their sexuality. They have to find someone to satisfy the need for male/male sex.

    That said you are correct when you say men (and women) should be honest with themselves. Presenting one's self as bisexual when in reality one is homosexual does no one justice.

    You are also right when you say you and your children didn't deserve the fallout from your ex's sexual exploits. I'd be willing to bet your ex agrees with that statement 100%.

    You say studies should look at people who say they are bisexual ten years later and see how they identify themselves. You're right on that actually and now that the studies are proving bisexuality does exist such follow up studies will be conducted. I can tell you what they will find. They will find that yes, some men go through a stage on the way to accepting their homosexuality in which they identify as bisexual. But that said, bisexuality does exist and it is not transitional. I have personally identified as bisexual and had male and female sexual partners for more than 50 years and that identity has never wavered. I have straight friends with whom I can openly discuss sexuality and I am not straight. I have homosexual friends with whom I can openly discuss sexuality and I am not homosexual.

    I am, though I would not choose to be, bisexual. I am very proud of the fact that because I understand my bisexuality, I have been able to help three men who are my friends come to see that they were not, as they said they were, bisexual. Instead they are homosexual men. Once each of these three men, all married more than 20 years, accepted their homosexuality, they divorced their wives because they saw they could not be what she needed - a straight man.

    I am proud of the fact that each of the three in an effort to be as fair and supportive as they could be left their marriage with little more than the clothes on their backs leaving almost everything to their wives and kids. One man's kids were grown. The other two with younger kids have continued to support their kids financially through high school and college. Altogether 7 children were affected by their fathers' decision and all 7 kids have accepted their fathers' coming out as gay.

    The strange twist in these three mens' situation was that all three of the wives fought the divorce. They tried everything they could to get the husbands to stay in the marriage.

    The thing we can all agree on is that the present situation in which so many married men are admitting to same sex attraction is not a good thing for marriages and families. It is a situation that can and does cause great pain and long term emotional damage.

    I'm not sure what the answer to the dilemma is, but I know for certain that part of the answer is for people to open their minds to the facts. Denial of the facts does nothing but exacerbate the problem. The fact is that some people are heterosexual, some are homosexual and some are bisexual whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

    On the face of it, it is foolishness to blame a man for not correctly identifying his own sexuality when you are claiming that what best describes him sexually does not exist.

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  7. That may be your experience, but it is not reflective of the nature of human sexuality as a whole. From my personal experience, I can assure that bisexuality exists as a stable orientation. Men who are gay, know they are gay, and yet use the term "bisexual" as some false reassurance to themselves and their spouse that their marriage was not founded on a complete lie, grossly mis-represent the true nature of bisexuality.

    This myopic world view reeks of Bonnie Kaye, speaking of which:

    https://thatofwhichweshallnotspeak.wordpress.com

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